MODESTY AFTER MARRIAGE: HOW THE MODESTY MENTALITY KILLS LIBIDO & SELF-ESTEEM
You waited 20+ Years to get married to have sex, you wore clothing that covered everything but you head, you were a good girl and boy, yet far too often when we elope we get stuck in the good girl and good boy mentality and cant allow ourselves to give into our sexual selves... Your goal as a husband and wife is to plain and simply do everything in your power to make your spouse perv out over your you! wear something tight fitting, attractive, a bit on the revealing side, and of course seduce the living *%#* out of each other on a daily basis! Of course i know this now, and our marriage couldn't be any happier, but for a long time I as his wife couldn't grasp this concept...
This isn’t a story about how modest clothes allowed me to
“let myself go” and conceal a growing figure. It’s not even a story about how
wearing modest clothes kept my self-esteem at rock bottom and thrust me into a
too-close relationship with Ben & Jerry. It’s a story about how modesty
doctrines impacted my mind, in ways that had real, negative effects on my body.
Modesty was one of the reasons my defining relationship with my body became
whether or not I was “fat.” Modesty was one of the engines that pushed me into
a full-blown eating disorder. It’s not just a dress code: it’s a philosophy,
and it’s one that destroys young women, mentally and physically.


Modesty taught me that I was always on display. There was no
occasion in which it was acceptable to be immodest. Not the beach, not at the
pool with friends, not in my own backyard (sunbathing was out because a
neighbor might glance over and see me). This took my normal self-consciousness
as a teenage girl and amped it up to an impossible degree. I once had a bee fly
down my (acceptably loose) shirt and, in flailing around to get it out, had a
family member comment that I’d just “flashed” my own grandfather. I was
horrified for the rest of the week. That’s not normal. The normal order of
priorities is getting dangerous animals out of your clothing first, and then
worrying about making your own relatives perv on you second. Not so with the
modesty doctrine. I should have let it sting me, apparently. Getting stung was
the lesser risk.


Modesty was not just about dress. It was also about moving
like a lady. Knees together, butt down, breasts in, arms down. It is impossible
to get physically fit while adhering to ladylike movements only. You might be
able to run, but only if you wear two sports bras to keep anything from
jiggling inappropriately. You certainly can’t do anything with weights. In
college, I had the chance to join a horseback riding team for a couple of
semesters. I soon realized that staying on the horse required starting some kind
of fitness regimen. In the gym, I found a couple of hip abductor/adductor
machines that were handy for building the thigh strength necessary to grip the
horse.
The problem? I was so embarrassed that somebody might walk
in front of me while I was on the machine with my legs spread that I started
going to the gym the moment it opened in the morning and avoiding exercise when
men were present. In this instance, modesty was literally keeping me weak.
Eventually, I grew comfortable enough with my own body to exercise without
worrying about other people happening to look at me. Now, I do an exercise
routine that would have scandalized my old self: squats, deadlifts, and barbell
rows. I have so much more energy and my mood is so much improved – plus, I can
move my own furniture! But I couldn’t have got to this point without dumping
the modesty doctrine. Because I couldn’t concentrate on hauling iron while
worried that some perv behind me might happen to glance my way and pop his gym
shorts. That’s not my job anymore. I’m not responsible for men’s souls, because
I no longer think of myself as an object to be looked at and evaluated.


Backing up to before I got to college, modesty contributed
to my eating disorder. How? Because I noticed that the best way to keep men
from staring at my ass was not to have one. Ditto boobs. The skinnier I got,
the less womanly I looked, and the more “modest” I felt, until I was 25lbs
underweight. I was perpetually “fat” in my own mind – because in my own mind,
the only acceptable body type was an androgynous one – one that could not
possibly provoke a man to lust. I’m sure I don’t need to explain why that was a
bad thing.
Modesty taught me that I was a decoration. Everything about
my life was governed by whether or not a man was watching. How I moved and what
I ate or wore all depended on the male gaze. Modesty taught me that nothing I
did mattered more than avoiding sexual attention. Modesty made me objectify
myself. I was so aware of my own potential desirability at all times that I lost
all other ways of defining myself. I couldn’t work out or get fit without
worrying about attracting men. I couldn’t relax my eating habits for a moment
lest my shirts start to pull a little in the chest. I couldn’t grow like a
normal human adolescent because staying slim and sexless was the biggest
priority in my world.
When you argue that what’s modest and what isn’t is a valid
concern for women, you tell them that their appearance matters most. You
objectify them. You tell them that whether or not you are sexually aroused by
their actions or their dress is more important than anything they want to do or
wear. You tell them that they must, at all times, be thinking about you when
they are making decisions about their own lives. That’s arrogant. That’s immoral.


If you think that, as a man, you can somehow argue
“objectively” about what women should or shouldn’t wear and “win” a debate fair
and square, let me remind you of a few things. If a man “loses” a modesty
debate, nothing about his life changes. If a man “wins” a modesty debate,
nothing about his life changes. But if a woman loses a modesty debate, the
entire fabric of her existence changes. If a woman loses a modesty debate, she
has lost whole areas of freedom in her life. She now has more things to worry
about not doing so that men will not get aroused. There is no such thing as an
“objective” argument in which the stakes are astronomical for one side and
nonexistent for the other. Furthermore, by even accepting modesty as a valid
area of concern for women, you have accepted a premise that defines women by
their looks and objectifies them. Women have already lost the moment a modesty
debate begins.
Modesty made me “fat” because it defined my relationship
with my body in terms of appearance. Not action. Not gratitude. Not the joy of
movement. Just appearance. It also defined my relationship with men as one of
predator and prey. It was my job to hide from men so that their sex drive would
lie dormant, like a sleeping wolf. But if that wolf ever awakened, it was not
because it had been sleeping for a long time and its circadian rhythm kicked
in, or it was just naturally hungry. It was my fault because I had done
something to “bait” the wolf. Just by being visibly female, or by moving in
“unladylike” ways. You cannot consider women full human beings unless you
recognize that their lives do not revolve around the male sex drive. Modesty is
a philosophy that dehumanizes. It incites constant fear and vigilance in one
sex while excusing the other of all responsibility. It’s immoral.


How Being Overly
Modest Destroys Our Femininity
Modesty is a lot of things, and it is primarily a way in
which we show respect for our bodies and Heavenly Father. However, over the
years, as I’ve attended Firesides, Girls Camp, Youth Activities, Sunday School,
etc., I occasionally heard a different message. Modesty was my responsibility
to make sure the boys around me were not tempted toward immoral thoughts or
actions. Now that I’m older, I’ve started hearing it even more. This is simply
unacceptable
Implying that a woman’s modesty is something to be done for
the benefit of men and boys is a destructive message for several reasons.
Constantly telling a girl that a man’s thoughts and actions are her
responsibility is doctrinally incorrect. It also translates closely to the idea
that it is a woman’s responsibility to maintain the sexual standards of a
relationship.
For a long time, when I would hear these things, my mind
couldn’t but help think that it was somehow my fault. I clearly wasn’t a very
good person, or else I wouldn’t be having men say things like this to me. My
value as a daughter of God was being degraded, and instead of demanding to be
treated like a human being, I shrunk back, thinking I had been the one in the
wrong.


Probably one of the most concerning aspects of this mindset
is it is a form of victim blaming. Women at the receiving end of verbal,
physical, or sexual assault are often asked “Well, what did you do to provoke
him,” “Were you asking for it,” or, one of the most common, “What were you
wearing?” Last I checked, when given the commandment not to commit adultery
there was no addendum that said “Unless she was dressed like a slut, then it’s
totally her fault, and you’re off the hook.” Someone once told me that when you
are teaching women to change what they do to prevent being assaulted or raped,
what you are actually doing is saying “Make sure he assaults someone else.” You
are not fixing the real problem, which is the man’s problem. Men have to exist
in the world where women will have a variety of dressing habits. All of these
women all are deserving of respect, and if his thoughts or actions cannot be
controlled, that is his problem.
I like dressing modestly. I like other people being
comfortable around me. But the real reason I want to dress modestly is because
for me, it is a way of looking forward to respecting the covenants I will make
in the temple. When I get dressed, I ask myself, “If I was endowed, could I
wear this?” No offense, but as a woman
whose figure is somewhere between a Greek sculpture and the women they used to
paint on airplanes in WWII, and legs that go to Canada, certainly dressing
modest is not hottest. But my choice in clothing is not about that, nor is it
about a need to hide my body. As I said at the beginning, it is an outward
display of an inward commitment, one that I would like to remind certain people
they are supposed to respect, too. (Yes, I’m looking at you Mr. preacher who spends
the entire summer in a cut out tank top or shirtless with hot abs, women lust too...) Modesty is an important principal,
but it is not one that should be taught as a scapegoat for men’s
responsibility.


Modesty during our youth may be understandable if kept to a
healthy limit, but let’s cut the crap… Modesty after marriage goes out the
window, we as women need to allow ourselves to dress a bit sexy at home and
abroad, it not only betters our self-esteem but helps us grow sexually. Wear
something tight from time to time, show some cleavage your husband will not
only thank you, but you’ll thank yourself.
Being a Christian woman, one of the most irritating
stereotypes that’s perpetuated is that we’re all like Dana Carvey’s SNL
character “the church lady.” Sure, some of us are. But most of us are not. God
created sex, and it’s obvious how much our culture LOVES (even idolizes) sex.
One way Christian women can do a better job of reflecting God to the world is
by having amazing, healthy sex-lives with our husbands, and not being afraid to
talk about sex, tastefully. (And I have to admit, of all the ways we can
reflect God to the world, having a healthy sex-life is probably my favorite.)
Embracing Your Sexuality & Not
Feeling Guilty For It
Explore and OWN your
turn-ons.
So there might be some turn-ons you personally have you
might feel embarrassed about or ashamed of but BIG CHANCES are you’ll be
surprised how many other people might share the same “embarrassing” turn-ons as
you do! Communication is crucial. It is important that you feel comfortable
enough to express your sexual desires in regards to what you like, what you are
willing to try, and what you are absolutely unwilling to do with your partner
to maximize sexual experience and pleasure and also to explore new ways to heat
up your sex life. And say you come across some a**hole who thinks you are “too
freaky” or thinks you are a slut for wanting to try those things. Never put up
with someone’s let downs. You FIND somebody else who is going to be the lucky
bastard that landed a beautiful woman and adores you for your own open mind and
salivates at the fact you actually embrace your wild side and wants to explore
it with you.


Your sexual pleasure
is what YOU want it to be.
It’s your body, your temple. You’re in charge of your own
sexual experiences. You’re the sex goddess here and YOU have the power to
choose who you want to sleep with, who you don’t want to sleep with, or if you
want to have sex at all. Regardless of what you want, do it (no pun intended)
for yourself. Make your own decisions. NO ONE should ever be able to take that right
from you; not your religion, not our own physical disabilities, and not ever
your overbearing parents.
Ladies,
I’ve noticed a disturbing trend recently of men knowing
women’s bodies better than women do. Women are not taking charge of their own
sexuality. For all the talk about empowerment and abandoning shame, it seems
that female sexual desire is still misunderstood at best and at worst denied
and repressed.


Women are out of touch with their moods, their hormones and
their desires. One problem is social conditioning that is making women feel
“less of a woman” to crave normal heterosexual activities (being sexually
dominated, feeling vulnerable, giving in to a strong man who loves her, being
submissive). Feminism is teaching women that these feelings are both harmful
and unnatural conditioning from the patriarchy and meant to oppress them. It
couldn’t be farther from the truth. These feelings are meant to build
partnership, connection and bonding. Men feel protective, loving and caring for
a woman who needs him and who lets herself be vulnerable to him. We can not
connect if we have walls up everywhere. Sex is about intimacy. I know you’ve
been told sex is about power. Sex can be
used for power. Advertising uses sex for
power and control over shoppers. Couples
can use sex or withholding sex as a power tool to manipulate and control their
partner. But sex is not inherently about
power. People can use sex for
power. Sex, the true nature of sex is
about intimacy. Call it making love,
call it fucking, call it whatever you want, but good sex, great sex, the kind
of sex we all deeply crave is not about power, but about intimacy
Women Don’t Know Their Bodies Because
We’re Ashamed To Show Them Off
I’ve described how women are out of touch with their hormones
and out of touch with their emotions, and I’ve described how feminism is
creating an environment that makes women feel shame and guilt about their
biology. Feminism diminishes the
importance of femininity and female biology in it’s drive for equality, but
when we erase our femininity we erase the heart and core of our nature. Has no one told you how wonderful it is to be
a woman? Have you never witnessed the power and wonder and beauty of women who
love themselves as deeply as they love others and how that plays out in the
world? It’s magical. It is romance. It is miraculous. It is within you.
To claim your undeniable power as a woman you need to
embrace your emotions, your biology, your intuition, your body and your
sexuality. It’s not just about loving your body at any size and fighting to
redefine beauty standards, truly loving your body means taking responsibility
for it, listening to it and giving it what it needs.


To be truly empowered, you need to embrace your sexuality.
To embrace your sexuality, you need to know your body. You need to explore visually, tactilely. You
need to learn what feels good, how your body responds, how to control your
desires and you need to learn how to lose control. Yes, I’m telling you that
you need to masturbate. You need to
masturbate alone at night, in the day. You need to masturbate int he dark and
you need to masturbate in front of a mirror.
Not only that, you need to masturbate using only what God gave you: two
hands and a delicious imagination. Get
rid of the the toys and vibrators. Your
have everything you need to get off, except apparently patience, but you can
learn that. After you masturbate, think
about what turned you on, what felt good.
Would you be able to describe that with a lover?
Vibrators produce an unnatural stimulation. Not only does it overemphasize your physical
reactions giving intense physical pleasure but it gets in the way of you
knowing your body. If you masturbate with a plastic toy, how will you know
about the physical signs of your approaching orgasm? In addition to increased
wetness, you will feel swelling, thickening, muscle contracting. Knowing your physical reactions to desire and
arousal are as important as knowing if you like tall dark and handsome or teddy
bear built men. Sex is one of the most
exciting things we can do. We are all, every single one of us, capable of
having sex and of feeling desire and reaching orgasm. Don’t you want to know
how everything works and how to create that magic?
Vibrators also reduce your need for mental stimulation
through fantasy because it provides such intense physical stimulation that it
can build your sexual response faster than through fantasy alone. But fantasy
is tremendously important for women. Our
mental arousal matches our physical arousal.
Not only that, but you can become physically dependent on your
vibrator. Just as men can become
addicted to porn and struggle to maintain erections without a certain visual
stimulus and specific physical touch that only he can replicate, so can women
become addicted to the intense, rapid and unnatural mechanical stimulation of a
vibrator. Your mind is your biggest
sexual organ. Use it.
Our nature has given us everything we need to thrive. We need to respect it, study it, embrace it
instead of hiding from it, bulldozing it and medicating it. It’s time to
fucking own it!
Your body. Your feminine body. Why have you rejected it? Why
are you uncomfortable in it? For all the body acceptance campaigns I see, to me
they look like body rejection campaigns.
We are not accepting our bodies when we normalize being unhealthy. We
are not accepting our bodies when we insist that it be made square to hide our
natural curves or when we parade topless for a protest! We are not accepting
our bodies when we emulate the mannerisms of men to compete with them. We are rejecting our bodies when we do not
invest in our health. We are rejecting our bodies when we do not enjoy how we
are made and use our gifts to express ourselves, engage with others and achieve
our goals.
Your body is amazing. You should
taking care of it.
Men, in general, seem more in touch with their physical
selves. If they strength train or participate in sports they often find
satisfaction in pushing their bodies to the limits, testing what they are
capable of. As men, their bodies are
physically stronger and larger than most women. They use their bodies to
protect, to fight and to build. Learn to know and use your body the same way,
doing so will open the doors to unlocking your full feminine potential.
Sexual shame
hinders women in far too many ways. It's a difficult beast to tackle, as it
assumes so many nuanced, subtle forms in our daily lives. To be sure, some
forms of sexual shame are
blatant, but many of them are so deeply engrained that we scarcely even notice
them.
Societal
shame. Although
the concept of women as independent, sexual beings is beginning to gain
traction, there are still many people who hold "loose" women in low
opinion. Many times, people who feel this way project a facade of concern.
They'll say things like, "That girl needs to get some
self-respect." Women are perfectly capable of deciding what to do or
not do with their own sex lives. I mean, really, men have had this right
throughout all of
history. No man has ever been asked to "prove" their
virginity before marriage in the same ways that women have. For centuries, it
was expected that married men would have mistresses, and that unmarried men
would have sex. The women they had sex with, however, ended up with bad
reputations while the men got off scot-free. Unfortunately, this is still the
case in many ways still today.
Shame from
family members. Many of us have been made to feel bad or ashamed about sex by our
families. Maybe your parents are from a very different generation. Maybe
they're highly religious. Maybe they're conservative. Maybe they're some
combination of all of these things. If any of these are the case, your family
might have some very...ah, specific and poignant opinions about
sex. As such, it's important to remember that your parents' opinions are
far from the ultimate truth. There are facts they just don't know, and you
probably know better than they do when it comes to sex. Girls often deal with a
heavier dose of shame from family than boys do. Many
old-fashioned/religious/conservative parents feel they can shame their daughters
into remaining "pure," only participating in acceptable kinds of
sexual activity. The only kind of acceptable sexual activity for many such
parents, however, involves a cisgender man and a cisgender woman having
straightforward, vanilla
sex under the sacred bonds of matrimony. You are not obligated to remain bound
by this even though you may feel you are. You do not owe "purity" to
your parents
While Christianity might look down on the below outfits, I and a majority of women consider these outfits to be completely reasonable, showing a bit of sexy, yet modest still.
Comments
You cant in good conscience think that God would be so mindful of what women wear and not of what men wear, and that we are responsible for keeping their minds clean. Ridiculous, flat out BS in my opinion.
Our family is all LDS (Mormons), our daughter(12 years old) last year went on a youth boating trip to a nearby lake wherein all the girls wore 1 piece swimsuits, but mandatorily were told they must wear shorts and a t-shirt to cover up, all while the guys were in swim trunks and no t-shirts... My daughter god bless her heart didn't realize it had to be a 1 piece and had no shorts so she just wore the bathing suit. The harassment and ridicule from the leaders was just demoralizing, she came home in tears that the bishopric had more or less treated her like a slut who was led by the devil all because she wore a bathing suit...
On Sunday they then had her and us called into the bishops (equivalent of a pastor)'s office to discus the "sin". They went on for 10 minutes on how her poor morals and lack of virtue may have permanently damaged the minds of the young men because she wore a simple bathing suit, and that it was entirely her fault and her job to protect their minds from sin. To my shock she fired back at them saying "don't you realize girls think about sex too? is it fair the boys where all half naked?" I had never been so proud of her in my life. I then politely went off on them about how sexist their behavior was towards women and how it hurts these young girls mentally for decades to come.
The morals taught are so out of date, specially within our religion. I agree that women have a responsibility to be virtuous and morally clean for both themselves and others, but that doesn't rest all on their shoulders, its irresponsible and dangerous to promote.
I also think your perspective is spot on, too much of todays teachings put all the emphasis on the importance of dressing morally on only the girls and women, Christianity in general is completely oblivious that it destroys their healthy view of themselves and sex in general.
I had never thought about this until I had a baby, but I fully intend to help teach my daughters teaching and understanding when it comes to modesty and sexuality, Christianity has it right that modesty is good, but they take it to such an extreme that becomes unhealthy to young girls, we as parents need to make sure these teachings don't destroy our childrens self-worth. I had a girl I taught in Sunday school last year who shared a story about how the leaders had ridiculed her for wearing sleeveless shirts to church, the shame and sadness in her face just broke my heart that she had been called out in front of everyone over the sleeve being an inch too short.
Melissa, your story is oh so common in our church sadly. I too am lds and have seen so many poor girls mistreated for simply wearing something that showed part of their shoulder, or for wearing a dress slightly above the knee. I remember when I was a teen a girl had worn a sleeveless dress into a joint meeting of the youth and the leaders flat out called her out on the spot as if she had murdered someone in front of everyone. I'd never seen someone so red in the face, she cried as she was sent home to change, I don't think she ever came back to our ward again because of the slut shaming for just showing her shoulders.
Nobody is blind enough to think "well its what god wants us to do", yet guys have no responsibilities because girls don't think sexual thoughts and might be tempted, that's ridiculous, and yet it is taught non stop in all denominations... Melissa you're especially right about ours, our leaders have flat out said throughout the years if a guy see's your belly you need to repent, President Kimball taught in conference that he would rather see his daughter or any woman killed or murdered instead of being raped, because after they are raped or have sex they are similar to used gum and have no worth. ITS EVIL! It led to hundreds of young teens committing suicide because they were taught by their leader they had no self worth or value in gods eyes anymore.
We as parents have to do a better job at stepping in and making sure our children are taught not to be ashamed of their bodies and that showing a bit of skin (moderately/reasonably) isn't going to send you to hell. If my daughters leaders ever call her out on something like this she has my permission to tell them talk to her dad, so I can shove their perspective on morality so far up their rear ends they'll never bitch about it again...
way to stick up for your daughter and wife! half the guys I know are too stuck up to see the importance of having a healthy view of femininity. The "Rape" teaching definitely infuriates me too sky, my cousin took her own life a year after hearing that talk, her bishop told her that no man would want to be with someone who had no worth in gods eyes anymore. I love how Elizabeth Smart has been calling out the leaders lately for the degrading teachings on women and their sexuality.
I agree that if parents took a more active role in sexuality and morality teachings that our children would not feel so ashamed about themselves during their teenage years, and when married. It took me nearly ten years to outgrow the anti-sexual mindset brainwashed into us as kids. My husband and I both refuse to wear our temple garments on date night anymore, we would get home and go to get it on but just seeing ourselves and each other in them immediately kills the mood... Instead I wear something with no shoulders and a lot of cleavage, its had huge impacts on our sex life and my mental ability to want to be sexual. Our 2nd counselor caught us one night without them and told us they were only to not be worn when we play sports, shower/swim, or when we're going to get wet, I told him I was going to get wetter throughout the night (in my yaya region) and that ended the conversation pretty quickly hahahaha.
A great article for LDS couples who struggle with modesty, I think it applies to Christianity in general as well.
What are some of the most sexist issues in each of your churches that just seem off par with the gospel of Christ? this has been an ongoing question I've had throughout my life when it comes to equality in gods eyes. We're always taught god is no respecter of persons, yet the sexism in Christianity always contradict how women are treated in church.
Women are promised the same blessings in heaven with 1 major exception, our church preaches that although polygamy doesn’t currently occur & is not practiced, it is taught it will be practiced in heaven and for a man and wife to enter heaven they will need to be in a polygamous marriage… AKA men get many wives, women get 1 husband. This is the part that makes me sick to my stomach, just thinking about it makes me cringe, not to mention my wife is as jealous a person as it gets, to think the only way to enter heaven would be for her to have to share me is uncomprehendable and wrong. I personally don’t believe it to be true in any way shape or form, but it is what’s stated in our scriptures and by our prophet/apostles currently.
It's really easy for us to justify sinful messages or actions of others, rationalizing that "god has his own reasons for these men sinning or teaching false principles, but what most Christians (myself included) tend to do is forget to search and ask for ourselves. Those who are honest with themselves will quickily find that most of the principles taught are true, but these teachers are human and prone to error, thus we need to sort through what to follow and what to ignore.
I am curious how Lacey you dealt with Jehovas witness teachings and managed to believe it as a kid. Same with you Sky and Melissa? how do you come to terms with such twisted teachings with the polygamy stuff? I don't want to turn this into a religious debate but can you honestly say god would allow a prophet to do those kinds of things and still be a prophet or lead an entire church for that matter? it boggles my mind.
For me (and most Christians) when we find out our church is a total fraud you have 3 options:
1-follow the church still even though its claims, doctrine, promises about heaven, are wrong, but doing so will help us maintain friends and family that we're scared to lose.
2-Understand that its bogus, but choose to sort the good from the evil and follow advice after praying for ourselves, and ignoring the incorrect teachings. (what I do since every other church has the same issues to some extent).
3-leave it bitterly and search for some better religion that follows god and Christ the way the scriptures teach they should.
Each person has their own reasoning to stay or leave, but whats most important is we do not feel shamed for believing what we do if god has confirmed to us what we know is right. Have confidence in your knowledge and attitude about following truth rather lies. Our church has always taught us to do what is right, no matter how hard it is and the consequences, and that Is what I try to do, do what is right, even if it means not believing what is always being taught by the men who frequently lie/manipulate from the pulpit. Just my two cents. hope that makes sense?
My personal use of them is sporadic, They are made to remember temple promises of loyalty to god as a couple, meaning we never cheat on our spouse, we're promised protection spiritually. So basically I believe couples should wear them at times when they're apart from each other, such as a spouse on a business trip, or being out with friends, or situations where they may be tempted to cheat. Otherwise I don't wear them when I'm with my wife I don't wear them (seeing you couldn't cheat on your spouse right in front of them haha). basically since they physically cause my body harm I don't use them other than when I'm away from her. I can definitely tell they've impacted her too and surprised her sexually. They definitely harm marriages when used 24/7. She doesent use them at home nor do I, nor at the beach, nor on vacation in hot muggy places, nor while I mow the lawn (otherwise I'd pass out from heat.
Its all about understanding the purpose of the clothing, use them when your away from your spouse so your not tempted to betray them, but when your with them get those things off ASAP, that's my opinion... I know most other LDS couples are the same, even bishopric, relief society members, and other leaders all do the same. I was chatting with LDS family counseling last year about them and they actually encouraged me to stop wearing them for a while in order to allow a healthy sexual mindset to emerge from years of repression and lack of sex drive.
Well . . .
There is one drawback . . .
It was expensive to stop wearing garments.
I now love buying underthings, a lot of bras and panties (oh how I love to buy panties!). Every style, every fabric, every color. Every color except white.
Stopping wearing them other than at church and the temple was the best decision we ever made for our marriage, it allowed us to feel confident about our bodies and actually think sexual thoughts about each other. :)