"I DON'T DO THAT". OVERCOMING RELIGIOUS NEGATIVITY

What is religious trauma? What sexual aspects are Godly approved?



FIRST OF ALL... I want to appolagize to the many religions I'm about to criticize here, understand that each church and each churches leadership have their own flaws and frauds when it comes to sex, While I point out many flaws (including my own churches) I mean no offense by what we say, we only speak the truth and point out the many flaws so that we may see sex for what it really is. BEAUTIFUL!!!





Religious trauma syndrome (RTS) is a set of symptoms and characteristics that tend to go together and which are related to harmful experiences with religion. They are the result of two things: immersion in a controlling religion and the secondary impact of leaving a religious group. The RTS label provides a name and description that affected people often recognize immediately. Many other people are surprised by the idea of RTS, because in our culture it is generally assumed that religion is benign or good for you. Just like telling kids about Santa Claus and letting them work out their beliefs later, people see no harm in teaching religion to children. But in reality, religious teachings and practices sometimes cause serious mental health damage. The public is somewhat familiar with sexual and physical abuse in a religious context with church scandals and cover ups.



But what has become more serious in marriage is the increasingly negative teachings that paint sex as being from the devil, and that it has no place in marriage. Recently we've received many emails and complaints that some of our posts don't cover godly approved material, and not to poke fun at the individuals who complained but we deeply disagree and will show here what god does and does not approve so that couples can feel free of the negative teachings modern day religions heap upon its members...



It's no surprise that modern churches paint sex in almost every form as being not of god, we frequently get emails of couples describing how their church treats sex as a disease, whether it be the catholic church that shames all kinds of sex except that for procreation, or the Jehovah's witnesses who shame women for showing their elbows or ankles, the Mormons who shame members for modesty and even at one point oral sex, or evangelicals who slut shame all of mankind and do not speak of sex period... Being the daughter of a well known preacher I feel certified to share my knowledge of the scriptures and what God does and does not approve.



As most of us all know the original Christian church that existed in Christ's time is the catholic church, it was at one time the authority of all doctrine and laws, leading all of Christianity. Unfortunately as we also know roughly 1000 years later the church became 100% corrupt (no offense to our catholic friends), changing key teachings to benefit the church, going on crusades killing hundreds of thousands to gain power and authority over all of the Europe and the mid east. Over time their interpretations influenced the topic of sex greatly, what was once a beautiful and special thing became corrupt and evil. Despite these incorrect and twisted teachings all of Christianity has chosen to still follow these corrupt teachings, even though we recognize them not coming from God...???







Think about it, would you follow someone's advice and counsel after discovering they sought to
deceive, rob, and harm you? of course not? yet Christianity has yet to put two and two together that SEX IS GOOD! thus we see why so many go through religious trauma, we are taught sex is bad, yet read from the scriptures that sex is good and beautiful. To overcome these lies most therapists, counselors, and even religious counselors have encouraged couples to separate all of sexuality from the churches, avoiding taking any sexual counsel from them and instead making our own rules based on the doctrine found in the scriptures. Why do studies show 95% of atheists love their sex lives, while 76% of Christians report to hate their sex life? simple... RELIGIOUS TRAUMA from yeas of incorrect teachings... WE HAVE TO TUNE OUT RELIGION WHEN IT COMES TO SEXUALLITY UNTIL THEY FOLLOW THE SCRIPTURES AND IGNORE THE EVIL THAT WAS INCORRECTLY TAUGH 1000 YEARS AGO.

 
As adults, we develop something I call the inner “religious police.” Our inner religious police ensure that we stay obedient (enslaved) to the dogmas and creeds of Christianity. Their job is to constantly filter our thoughts and feelings through the use of shame and guilt. Anything judged as not being “biblical” is locked out of the conscious mind and repressed into the Shadow Self. For example, a Christian man who has sexual thoughts about a woman is instantly arrested by his inner religious police. His inner religious police condemn the thought as “sinful” and infect him with guilt, shame, and the fear of punishment from God. This ensures that he continues to stay faithful to the laws of God. It's time to take back your life and love sex the way God has intended us to.

 

 










The Holy Bible's Definition and Guidance on Sex:



WHAT IS APPROVED? AND WHAT KIND OF LOVER ARE YOU AS A HUSBAND OR WIFE?

GREEN LIGHT+ GO!!! ITS APPROVED AND WONDERFUL AS DEFINED BY GOD:

INDICATIONS YOU'RE SEXUALLY THE COLD, LIFELESS, SEXLESS NUN:

SIMPLE MISSIONARY MARRIED SEX: (lie created by catholic church that couples can only do it this way for procreations)
MARRIED SEX: (lie created by catholic church that couples must be married, the scripturs show that so long as a man or woman is not a virgin sex is permissible (Book of Ruth, Kings, Peter proves sex is ok after virginity is lost in marriage or otherwise)

 

INDICATIONS YOU'RE SEXUALLY THE BORING NUN IN TRAINING:

GROPING EACH OTHER: (lie created by catholic church, Ezek, Kings, Corinthians, Songs of Solomon all tell of lovers stories where lovers touch sexually before marriage and god permits.
WOMAN ON TOP SEX: (lie created by catholic church, SS tells multiple stories of her on top)
DOGGY STYLE SEX: (lie created by catholic church, compared it to animals having sex)
SEDUCTION (MARRIED OR NOT): (lie created by catholic church, SS, Kings 1, Ruth, Corinthians, all teach it is ok to sexually seduce when not married if you/they aren't virgins) 
LINGERIE: (lie created by catholic church, SS and many other scrips tell of fine sensual fabric)

 

INDICATIONS YOU'RE SEXUALLY THE SEXUALLY SUPRESSED PREACHERS WIFE:

FINGERING: SS & Leviticus, Fingering illustrated. (lie created by catholic church )
SEXTING MESSAGES: Just look at all the love letters/ dirty talk in scriptures and SS
SEXUAL GAMES: SS compares sex to games at times

 

INDICATIONS YOU'RE SEXUALLY THE DEDICATED GIRLFRIEND/BOYFRIEND:

CUNNINGLINUS & BLOWJOBS: (lie created by catholic church, SS, Leviticus, Corinth, Ruth, Kings, all describe in vivid detail where a man or woman goes down on their lover and god even commends Ruth saying he loves her for doing it) 
SWALLOWING LOVERS CUM (MALE AND FEMALE): Songs of Solomon tell clearly that both man and wife MUST swallow each others cum, that it is a bonding ritual, the church has turned it into a lie.
LAP DANCE FROM LOVER: Songs of Solomon, Kings, David all show how lap dances are sensual, even outside of the bonds of marriage they are permitted.
STRIP TEASE FROM LOVER: SS, Kings, Corinthians, Ephesians, all share instances of stripping for a lover
DIRTY TALK: 2 words... Songs of Solomon, pure dirty talk and love writing.
SEXTING NUDES: (lie created by catholic church, nudity for a lover is all too common in the new and old testament.
FLASHING IN PUBLIC: Kings, SS both describe secretly having sex in random places.
HANDJOBS: SS, Kings, Ephesians all share instances of permitted sex.
FOOTJOBS: SS, Kings, Ephesians all share instances of permitted sex.
SQUIRTING: Songs of Solomon tell how lovers should treat your lovers liquid as a gift/delight.
SEX IN PUBLIC:  Kings, SS both describe secretly having sex in random places.
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YELLOW LIGHT=PREPARE TO SLOW DOWN, PROCEED WITH CAUTION, OK IF DONE RIGHT:

INDICATIONS YOU'RE SEXUALLY THE HUSBAND/WIFE OF HIS/HER DREAMS:

GENTLE SPANKING: Songs of Solomon (ss)
GENTLE CHOKING: SS
GENLTE NIBBLES/BITING: SS
GENTLE SCRATCHING: SS
GENTLE HAIR PULLING: SS
BONDAGE (GENTLE): SS
MASTURBATION: Corinth, Kings, SS, All clearly show that masturbation is and always has been ok, Not only that, but recently its been shown that if a guy goes over 5 days without cumming his chances to get testicular cancer or prostate cancer jumps up nearly 35%!!! Its no wonder why blue balls physically do hurt men so often. AKA Men and women should masturbate!
SEX WITH THE SAME GENDER: This one always blew my mind, RUTH had a lesbian lover, and god commended her for it! WHAT!?? its true that the old and new testament teaches sex between to women is ok, the only rule is not to marry the lover. AKA lesbian sex is ok, just not marriage...
CONSENSUAL UNMARRIED SEX NOT INVOLVING VIRGINS: Leviticus, Ruth, Kings, Ezek, Corinthians, Rev, etc. All share instances where god commended an unmarried individual (or married) having sacred sex to someone not their spouse... The law was it had to be consensual and non virgin applicable.
ROMANTIC PORN: Ruth, Ezek, Corinth, Lev, Kings, all describe how it is ok to look upon a non virgin non lover/spouse to see their beauty, that by so doing it might increase love and affection in marriage.
THREESOMES: Ruth, Corinth, kings, all describe sex with someone other than a husband or wife, god even at times tells them good job! The catholic church changed the laws to avoid all sex other than husband and wife.
CUCKOLDING: Ruth, Corinth, kings, all describe sex with someone other than a husband or wife, god even at times tells them good job! The catholic church changed the laws to avoid all sex other than husband and wife.
HOTWIFING: Ruth, Corinth, kings, all describe sex with someone other than a husband or wife, god even at times tells them good job! The catholic church changed the laws to avoid all sex other than husband and wife.
CUCKQUEANING: Ruth, Corinth, kings, all describe sex with someone other than a husband or wife, god even at times tells them good job! The catholic church changed the laws to avoid all sex other than husband and wife.

 

 

 

 
ANAL SEX: Described many times in the old testament and a few iin the new as being ok so long as it was consensual and not between two men, it was allowed.

 

 

 
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RED LIGHT=NO GOD DOES NOT APPROVE!

INDICATIONS YOU'RE SINNING & NOT FOLLOWING GODS COMMANDMENTS:

UNMARRIED SEX INVOLVING VIRGINS
HARDCORE PORN
FISTING
SEX IS JUST FOR PROCREATION: Lie taught by catholic church...
WOMEN SHOULD COVER THEMSELVES: Modesty is actually non exsistant and women where encouraged to show their full beauty and display it proudly just as men did.
HARD SPANKING,CHOKING, BITING, SCRATCHING,PULLING HAIR




It's no wonder that after thousands of years our marriages have been brought into sadness and sexual turmoil because of incorrect teachings that are still being foolishly followed, as we can see as taught by god the only way to find sexual happiness is to live by Gods laws, not "the churches laws" which deny the wonderful blessings that sexuality is.








































4 RULES OF SEXUALITY:

  1. SEX MUST ONLY BE BETWEEN NON VIRGINS
  2. IF A INDIVIDUAL IS MARRIED THEN SEX MUST BE CONSENSUAL, AND IF THEY WISH TO SLEEP WITH SOMEONE ELSE THE SPOUSE MUST ALSO APPROVE.
  3. SEX MUST BE CATEGORIZED IN THE "GREEN OR YELLOW LIGHT" SECTION AS TAUGHT FROM THE SCRIPTURES.
  4. SEX IS FROM GOD AND IS/CAN BE WONDERFUL AND SHOULD BE FULLY EMBRACED

 EVERY RELIGION TEACHES LIES & INNACURATE DOCTRINE WHICH IGNORES THE SCRIPTURES LAWS OF SEX AND HOW WE ARE TO TREAT IT:


Catholics: Do we even need to talk about their issues? the molestations of young boys and girls, the anti everything sexual teachings, the punishments for even asking about sex, the teaching that all sex except pro-creative sex is evil... NOT TO MENTION THEY LIED ABOUT THE DOCTRINE OF SEX, WHICH EVERY OTHER CHURCH HAS CHOSEN TO COPY AND FOLLOW DESPITE IT BEING A LIE...







Jahova's Witnesses/Muslims (very Similar): Two religions that don't have a leg to stand on in terms of credibility, yet its women are belittled, shamed, restricted to covering up every inch of skin possible, and frequently sexually abused by the same men who lead them.

Mormons: Perhaps the most strict to all things sexually, Teaching false concepts of modesty that contradict the bible, wearing clothing that destroys sexual libido, following a founder who forced married women to marry him, had dozens of affairs, and was the biggest sexual predator in religious history. Recent National news has called out the hundreds of bishops who have molested young girls, and how the church has paid hundreds of millions in damages to reduce the cover up.


Born Agains: Perhaps the Judgiest of them all... Screaming modesty, casting judgment, ignoring the actual major sins of the world. Yet again and again we read of the women in the ancient Jerusalem era who wore belly dancing like apparel and was completely ok with God...

Evangelical: Obsessed with anti-oral sex ideas... Yet the bible clearly illustrates oral sex happened many times and was ok with God.














The bottom line is NO CURRENT RELIGION practices sex as defined by god, they ignore the truth, and preach their own will, we must be able to sort for ourselves what is true and of God, and what comes from man and should be ignored.











Rule of thumb...There is a time and place for everything, just as God commands Christians to kill someone even though the commandment is "thou shalt not kill", sex is desirable in most every instance so long as rules are followed. Learn to love sex, learn to embrace it all, learn to love your spouse the way God intended you too, not the way the catholic church wants you to... AGAIN I MEAN NO OFFENSE TO OUR CATHOLIC READERS! MUCH LOVE AND GOD BLESS!







As a man and wife we dream and yearn for a sexually embracing spouse, who seeks to be our dream spouse and avoids the "nun" like behavior, if this is you or your lover now is the time to re-teach yourself that all these things are sexually ok for you to do, that God has spoken it in the scriptures and invites you to do likewise to better your marriage. In order to maintain a healthy outlook on sexuality we can not learn or be taught about sex from our church pulpit, the things made up by the catholic church so long ago were all admittedly evil in nature and untrue, yet most of Christianity today has forgotten to disconnect itself from these evil teachings. Learn to show some skin! to flirt a little, to touch each other in public, to seduce, play, enjoy, and embrace all things sexual that a good spouse should. Embrace our beauty and do not hide it.
 

 I ENCOURAGE YOU BOTH TO GO BACK AND REVIEW WHAT KIND OF LOVER YOU ARE CURRENTLY, A NUN? OR A DREAM SPOUSE!!! Be proud of your sexuality, let it flow, be open, show some skin, embrace your naughty side.










Comments

Norah said…
Soooo REAL!!!! i think 90% of Christians don't realize how deeply we've been trained and in some ways brainwashed to believe certain things. In order to have a healthy outlook about sex we have to unteach ourselves the evil concepts that sex is bad and not from god. If you cant recognize that Christianity's teachings about sex are twisted and not followed as preached in the bible you will more than likely shame yourself into hating sex.
Sky said…
So I have a question for anyone with experience, My wife & I belong to a very controlling religion that requires 100% adherence to anything the leaders say is a rule/commandment. Our religion does not claim sex is a bad thing as so many Christian churches do, but it has adopted the majority of its sexual rules and teachings based on the early catholic teachings on sex (which have recently discovered to have been lies by the catholic church to manipulate its members under the roman empire). I personally recognize that the rules no longer carry any power or authority from God, for as the scriptures say, those who teach false principles will be damned, and those who follow false commandments will not be blessed but condemned instead. MY QUESTION IS HOW CAN I HELP MY WIFE UNDERSTAND THAT HER SEXUALITY IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE ASHAMED OF?

So often she shys away from a majority of sexual things because of our faiths teachings. Even though our sexual commandments are proven fake she still firmly believes we should follow the leaders commandments 100%. While I'm ok following true principles, i cannot follow fake ones...

I can definitely see that her mothers attitude toward sexuality has an effect on her, (she often refers to anyone who doesn't wear sleeves that cover their shoulders "Skanky Hoes", which is engraved in my wifes brain.

I dont know how to help her see that our teachings on certain commandments are not only bogus, but an absolute joke... For example;

Modesty: women cant wear sleeveless shirts (yet boys can wear speedo underwear without consequence in front of them). Girls are taught they need to be modest because boys cant control themselves (yet girls don't have sexual desires so boys can dress how they choose...). The ancient members and even prophets wives actually wore at times tops with no belly covering...

Sex in general: should only be in the bedroom apparently, no flirting should occur anywhere outside the home.

Oral sex: shouldn't be doing it. (yet the prophet Solomon clearly shows he and his wife did it, as well as countless other biblical stories).

Sex is to be only between a man and wife: (yet clearly god was not offended when the prophet david slept with prostitutes, as did many of the prophets. Sex biblically clearly shows that sex with others was fine with permission from the spouse. (this issue doesent really matter to me).

Lesbian/ Gay sex: not that i care about this one, but even the prophet ruth had a lesbian lover and god was proud of there for it. while gay marriage was banned, sex was not...

So i don't know how to help her see that;
MODESTY (proven false)
Sex in general (proven good)
Oral sex (Proven good)
Sex outside marriage (proven to be ok)
Lesbian sex (proven ok)
how can i help her understand that these teachings are twisted, and that even the scriptures prove it! and that we are commanded not to follow false commandments since there are no blessings in them. I know her mothers influence has gotten to her, and she's afraid of letting her down. I'm trying to help her realize she can still be a good member of the church even if she doesent follow the fake rules.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Whitney Benson said…
Sky this is the golden question for a lot of marriages unfortunately, commandments are engraved in our minds from a young age, to change the way you feel about the commandment is not easy.

I think you laid out your points pretty clearly here, show her your churches rule or commandment, then next to it compare what the scriptures say about the issue. When we're honest with ourselves we cant deny that christianitys current sexual laws are not as god intended them to be, sex is good, not evil! hopefully once she can compare the two sides of the story she can see that somethings not right with the rules.


Myself and my wife ignored the facts for years but eventually couldn't deny the truth anymore that christiantiy had been mislead by following the fake catholic rules for so many hundreds of years. I think its hard for pastors, teachers, and church leaders to stop teaching these rules because they fear their church members will see it as weakness and not believe them anymore. But which is worse? to continue to live a lie? or to live life freely doing things we previously thought were sins?

Also point out her like you mentioned, she would still be a 100% perfect church member if she chose not to follow the sexual fake rules. Actually she would be even better than the normal members since they follow fake rules which is a sin.

Whatever the approach is make sure it is done with love and kindness, we as Christians can be ultra stubborn when it comes to new info and changing the way we view things as sins or not sins. Henesty with herself is crucial.
Sky said…
Thank you Brett, its a sensitive subject for sure. I don't want to scare her with the new info, but at the same time when the commandments harm our marriage its dangerous to continue to follow these fake rules. I don't want her to feel ashamed with her mother who is a modesty Nazi, but i don't want her to feel so constricted and ashamed of being sexual with me. She suppresses herself so often that i cant deny any longer its slowly killing our marriage and my connection to her :(

Thanks for the advice!
Chett said…
Just be patient with her and talk to her with love and compassion. We've all been there at one point in our lives when we think that our church is perfect and not capable of doing wrong, so we follow every single thing they teach. When I first learned of the way the catholic screwed up the gospel principles and made up pretend rules I was in total denial, I didn't think god would ever allow a church to teach false things like that. It took a few weeks of looking at the details, praying about them, and being open and honest with myself to realize that what I had been taught my whole life was not true regarding both sex, baptism techniques, prayer, how we get to heaven, Etc.

Its not easy being honest with ourselves when we've been taught our entire life that something is one way, when in fact its completely the reverse. The way sex is vilified these days by most religions just makes me sick, I mean the fact that they made sex in general, oral sex, lesbian sex, gay sex, sex between someone other than your spouses, etc, and made it all evil just really gets to me... The bible shows so clearly sex is good, that oral sex is encouraged, that lesbian and gay sex is fine so long as the do not marry each other, and that couples can even "swing" or "swap" if they're both ok with it. this can be found in any bible, in the Hebrew biblical documents, in the Aramaic scrolls which made up the original bible, and even in the dead sea scrolls!

Why then do so many religions destroy couples lives by vilifying every aspect of sex and destroying marriages? its unreal.

But in the end eventually she will figure things out and realize that not all commandments come from God.

What seems to be her biggest hang ups if you don't mind me asking?
Sky said…
For her its the whole good girl mentality for the most part. She's a sexual freak and goddess when she gets in the mood, but that so rarely ever happens because of her inhibitions and fears.

I know modesty is a big one she struggles with, always feeling pressured to wear longer sleeves, longer shorts, not showing to much cleavage (which is tough for her). She wants to dress stylish and feel sexy, but her clothing restrictions limit that, and like I said, her mother refers to anyone who dresses moderately sexy as being a "skanky hoe". The whole modesty debate has been obliterated in our church as being overly sexist and imaginary, yet she fears letting her mother down or disobeying the leaders pretend rules.

Sex in general she isn't too bad with, she's a highly sexual person. Oral sex though has been hard for her to deal with since she was taught heavily in a religious college that oral sex is evil (when in the bible it is good as taught by the prophet). She worries its wrong, and that she is sinning. I've shown her where leaders no longer condemn it, but she still is uncomfortable with the idea (which is sad because she is incredibly skilled at giving head, not to mention sex feels incomplete for me without it :(

She is slowly growing and recognizing sex is good, but definitely struggles to comprehend that our churches teachings are based off of the old catholic teachings which have since been admitted by the pope to have been a lie to assist the roman empire in preventing soldier pregnancies. She recognizes it has to come from her, she has to be the one to overcome her fears, but I don't know how long I can wait, we've been together 7 years and I'm tired of being sexually starved year by year. When you can count how many times you have sex a year on one hand you know there are issues in the marriage...
Emily Hortford said…
Speaking from a womans perspective, I think you need to comfort her and help her to understand you wont judge her or be disappointed with her for dressing comfortably or even provocatively if she wishes from time to time. Coming from a heavy religious upbringing my family also shamed women who wore short shorts, or showed too much boobage or skin, this for years scared the shit out of me and basically kept me in turtle neck sweaters year round out of fear of shaming God, my family, and fellow church members. It took years to finally realize that as has been pointed out, the rules of sex in Christianity aren't real rules! SEX IS OF GOD! it wasn't until I realized this that I allowed myself to dress how I felt and be sexy. It took my husband saying that he approved of it for me to realize that wearing a v neck shirt was just fine, that short shorts weren't a sin, and that letting the "girls hang out" wasn't a big deal. IF GODS OK WITH IT SO AM I. and so should she be.

Be supportive, be caring, help her to understand where the "rules of sex came from", why they are not commandments, and why she should not fear following fake rules for the sake of pleasing her family or church members. Dressing sexy has significantly improved my sex drive, I feel more confident in my body, I take care of it more, and I have more sex. She'll come around, you just need to be her mentor through this stage In her journey as a young Christian wife.

Anonymous said…
I've always been taught modesty is important and that we should cover up, why would I not want to continue doing this? I just don't understand why anyone would ever want to dress immodestly...
SKY said…
Christianity claims itself to be a safe haven when it comes to modesty. But It provides solutions to problems that don't really exist…

I get annoyed by this fixation on modesty because the church, and other Christian sects get the scripture wrong about this. In 1 Timothy 2:9-10 it says "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works." So by modest, the scripture means not being vain and not showing off expensive clothing and fancy hair, but perhaps instead spending their money on doing good. Also, in Matthew 5:29 it says "And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell" It doesn't say if thy right eye offends thee shame that woman for what she was wearing, it's her fault. No where in scripture does it say anything about covering up a woman's body to avoid showing her form. No where does it say a woman is responsible for the lustful thoughts of the man, but several places it says the man is responsible for his own lustful thoughts. And come on, if they can control the priesthood, they should be able to control their penises, right?

Modesty Is Not Empowering

It reduces the value of women to the state of their hymen, or how much skin they show or do not show. It is the basis of victim blaming and slut-shaming.

“Men are turned on by sight, women by emotional connection.” A man’s sex drive is stronger than a woman’s.” Are those things true? Is the Christian Modesty Message Causing Women To Be Ashamed of Their Bodies?
So lust is a really big deal! And if that’s true, then women should do what they can to reduce the chances of lust, right?
Well, let’s take a look at this for a moment. Why did Jesus say this? Basically, in those days if a Pharisee saw a woman coming down the street, they would avert their eyes and walk to the other side of the street. Women were seen as temptresses, as evil, as shameful.
And Jesus put the burden right back on the Pharisees: “It’s not her fault if you lust. Lust is YOUR problem.”
Jesus was trying to remove shame from women and replace it with righteous sorrow for sin. That’s a good thing.
And yet what have we done?
The typical Christian modesty message places the burden back on the girl again by making rules for how women should dress.
If you’ve been taught from the time you’re small to worry about your body, it’s really difficult to start seeing it as a good thing that can bring you and your husband pleasure. The very fact that he wants pleasure from your body seems somehow twisted already.
Maybe.
But it’s not true of ALL men and ALL women. I have talked to plenty of women who are turned on by sight, and men who are only attracted to women with whom they’ve had an emotional connection. I’ve read multiple marriage and sex counselors say that in marriages where one spouse has a much higher sex drive than the other, in around 30% of those marriages the person with the low sex drive is the man.
If a woman is sexually attractive and available, she is evil.

MODESTY TEACHINGS...
Sky said…
Well, for one thing, “modesty” is pushed on women but is really ABOUT men. Women are told to “think about how men will respond” to their clothing. They’re told “not to make men stumble.” They’re told, over and over, to PROTECT men in how they dress. So when we split into men’s and women’s times at a Christian conference, the men talk about not watching porn (rather than talking about modesty) and the women talk about how to help the men by being careful what they wear.

I grew up in the church and part of various Christian organizations for the last 31 years and I have been “told” about being modest zero times. Zero. I’ve been asked my opinion on what is modest (for women) plenty of times, but never told what is modest for me. I’ve never been informed of the modesty of my own clothing. I’ve never been shamed, publicly or privately, for my clothing choices.

They are not tempting someone by their actions or volition, but by their existence. They are objects, not human beings. Perhaps this is clearest in the phrase, “Modest is hottest.” I have no doubt this is spoken by many with clear, good intentions, but let’s look at the underlying message. “Modesty” culture says that “immodesty” (as they define it) is about sex. You are inappropriately tempting men toward sex in the way you dress. However, if you dress modestly, that is “hottest.” You are even more sexually attractive if you try not to be sexually attractive. No matter what a woman does, she will be seen as a sexual object rather than a person. “When you dress immodestly, I think of you in sexual terms. When you dress modestly, I think of you in sexual terms.” And "Modest is Hottest?" That is just incredibly DUMB on all levels. Hard to believe that anyone thought that was a good idea!

This attitude starts affecting your whole life, but not all of it can be for the better. Without even realizing it, we can let this attitude slip into our marriage and our relationship with our husband. As married women, we have to remember to balance our desires to be modest during the day when we are present in the world, against the extreme opposite attitudes we can and should have at home with our husband. When we are out shopping for groceries we are not trying to catch a man’s eye. Not only our clothing but our attitude should make it clear we are not loose women looking for a guy to flirt with. Do we give that same impression to our husbands though? Are we buttoned up and posses a demure attitude towards him? Or do we throw caution to the wind and remember he is ours to love wholeheartedly?

how is the Modesty Doctrine oppressive to women? Modesty is not about fashion nor is it about protecting women. It’s about control of the female body; a control men feel entitled to in order to maintain privilege and power over women by controlling the ways they use and think about their bodies. To grasp how modesty is used to control women, you simply have to look at who controls the narrative of modesty. Who decides what is and isn’t modest? In most cases, it’s men telling women what to wear or say or do or don’t do. Modesty is not about what women feel comfortable wearing, and it’s not about a woman’s agency to decide what she will wear, or how she chooses to present herself to others. Modesty is about what men feel comfortable with.

sky said…
This is the double bind women in the LDS church face. On one hand they are seen as sexual objects and yet they are threatened, slut-shamed and shunned if they express any kind of sexuality. Forget that it’s hot outside or that she is comfortable wearing those clothes, men suspect it is only to seek sexual attention from men.
Here’s the real question that’ll blow your mind: Why aren’t women allowed to seek sexual attention from men? I see men in the church do it all that time, I see guys with shorts above the knee, shirts off, falling over themselves to get attention from women, yet when a women does the same she is a slut (or the equalling cutting but more benign phrase “immodest”). This is the other side of modesty, the de-sexualizing of the person. Women in the church are expected to act as if they don’t ever think of sex. If they do express their sexuality it’s an act of immodesty.

Believe it or not women like sex! As much as men do. Women even look at pornography at similar rates as men do. So why are men in the church so frequently given the ol’ porn talk while the women hardly ever have it? Because women are too pure to ever want to look at porn, and women must be too virginal to think about sex.

I think back on a recent backlash Lindsey sterling received for wearing a revealing dress, she was slut shamed relentlessly by Christians... Yet what happens when Bryce harper (also LDS) poses for a nude picture? absolutely nothing...
We go onto our modesty guidelines wherein we find 7 ways women can be immodest, but as for men? JUST ONE...

Current modesty discourse “doesn’t focus on modesty as something that is important to the woman herself, but rather as something that is important to other people in her life,”(It) tells women that they, of themselves, do not matter...

Women, if you’re giving men boners, it’s totally on you! this is what Christianity teaches.

when a woman is sexually shamed for showing shoulders, yet a man can wear a speedo, there is a total double standard occurring.

Added to the fact that the catholic guidelines that all Christianity copied ended up being a lie, we now know modesty is complete and total B.S... Modesty destroys the female self worth, it causes sexual shame when they enter marriage, and prevents intimacy. THAT IS WHY WE FIGHT AGAINST THE LOAD OF CRAP THAT IS TODAYS
Noelle said…
I think you just summed up the entire argument against modesty to perfection. BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO!

I can say for myself that modesty destroyed my view on self worth, my own sexuality, and the relationship with my husband. Modesty actually almost ended our marriage because of my inability to open up sexually and love my husband the way he deserved. It pains me to see the youth of todays churches being manipulated in such an evil way, the whole catholic church doctrine which modern Christianity is based on totally screwed sexuality teachings within religion. Yet for whatever reason Christians cant get it through their head that they'd been lied to, and continue to practice the pretend sexual rules. its heartbreaking that gods glorious gift of sex has been turned into an act of evil. SO, SO WRONG! :(

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